Quick Note!
Jul. 19th, 2012 06:44 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
starsandseaI will very likely not be able to see The Dark Knight Rises until next Wednesday at the very earliest, so I'm going to attempt to avoid mentions of it until then. :)
Also, as I'm sure everyone is aware, the Olympics start next week! There have, however, been rumours for quite a while that there could be severe internet problems here during it, with so many people trying to access everything, so... if I suddenly go (even) quiet(er!) during it, there's no need to be too alarmed. :)
ETA: Spoilers in comments!
Also, as I'm sure everyone is aware, the Olympics start next week! There have, however, been rumours for quite a while that there could be severe internet problems here during it, with so many people trying to access everything, so... if I suddenly go (even) quiet(er!) during it, there's no need to be too alarmed. :)
ETA: Spoilers in comments!
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Date: 2012-07-19 06:18 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-07-20 05:47 pm (UTC)*drools at your icon*
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Date: 2012-07-20 06:45 pm (UTC)It's pretty, isn't it?
I still intend to see the movie. Some people are saying that people shouldn't go due to what happened in Colorado. In that case, I guess we should avoid going to work, school, church, etc., all of which have been sites for mass shootings, sad to say.
The whole thing just makes me angry, that people going to enjoy a movie should end up in such a nightmare. What is this world coming to, when you can't go anywhere or do anything without fear of being shot? Can you imagine those people all eager to see the movie and ending up in that nightmare?
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Date: 2012-07-21 06:07 pm (UTC)What happened is horrific, and I can not even begin to imagine what the victims and their families are going through. It makes me angry too, that someone could do such a thing...
*hugs* I hope you enjoy the film, when you do get to see it, Brady.
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Date: 2012-07-21 06:44 pm (UTC)I have so many icons because of the generosity of friends! :)
*hugs*
I hope to like this film, even with its sad associations now.
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Date: 2012-07-19 06:46 pm (UTC)Have a great time Star and enjoy the games (I assume you will watch them won't you?). *hugs*
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Date: 2012-07-19 06:57 pm (UTC)(no subject)
Date: 2012-07-21 01:32 am (UTC)But I have to say, your icons are usually very pretty as well Brady. :)
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Date: 2012-07-21 01:59 am (UTC)Thank you! :)
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Date: 2012-07-20 05:49 pm (UTC)I always say that I'm not going to watch the Olympics, then end up spending HOURS watching, so...! But hopefully I'll still be around then too! :)
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Date: 2012-07-25 02:12 pm (UTC)I'll be really curious to see what you think of the movie! I'm not saying anything more for now, though--every vague thing I started to say turned out a bit spoilery, lol...
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Date: 2012-07-25 06:16 pm (UTC)I loved the film. So much! So very, very much. So many people I wanted to hug!!!!! Alfred! Lucius! BRUCE. JIM. BRUCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *wibbles massively* I'm actually very, very pleased though, because I called the ending from the first time I saw the trailer! And it works so well, and oh, that final scene with Alfred and Bruce!!!! *flails and wibbles and flails* In short, I'm very happy with it. And now I'm so curious to know what you thought about it!
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Date: 2012-07-26 02:45 pm (UTC)But in the end, really, Alfred is so happy, he's finally gotten what he's always longed for, and for Alfred alone the ending makes me so, so thrilled. Bruce as free to be a new person, to find out what he is away from the endless war, is so strange and yet so good. I'm trying to write something set after the movie, and imagining Bruce away from Gotham--not training, not preparing, just living--is very much unexplored ground for me!
I was really surprised at how much I liked Blake, too! I thought he was a perfect mix of all the Robins while definitely being his own character. Which part of the ending did you call--that he'd become Batman? I had thought maybe he'd take Batman's place while Bruce was gone, but I didn't expect him to take over entirely as he did, and yet I think it's very right. We re-watched the first two movies before this one, and the first movie focuses so hard on Batman becoming a symbol that can outlive the man...it makes it very clear that in this world, ironically the one where Bruce has no wards or sidekicks or students, Batman is definitely going to be something passed on into the future. Gotham needs Batman, but she doesn't need Bruce in this world, he gave her everything except his soul, and now she's set him free. With love, I think.
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Date: 2012-07-26 06:48 pm (UTC)(I am also very annoyed because I typed this all out then accidently deleted it, grrrrrr!)
At the end of it all, Batman sacrificed his life for the city, with his status as a hero restored, and everyone, everyone knowing what he did, and thus finally got the recognition he deserves. There is nothing at all that I do not find satisfying about that, it hits SO MANY of the things I have ever hoped for for Batman's end - I was probably the only one grinning when it became clear he was going to die. So, that, I am entirely happy with.
Bruce, however. Bruce is a very different manner. Movie!Bruce (at least in my opinion) has never been as close to Gotham as his comics counterpart, or any other his counterparts. As I noted once, in Batman Begins Bruce never once refers to Gotham as 'my city', when almost everyone else does. Nor does he in TDK, as far as I recall (I freely admit that I can not watch the TDK very often because the Joker is just so damn terrifying). One of the main themes of TDK was that Bruce was going to retire Batman as soon as Harvey was in office and settle down with Rachel, because he thought he wasn't going to be needed anymore, that Harvey could take over for him. And now, in TDKR, Bruce has been retired for 8 years, and I can not see comics!Bruce ever doing that, even with, and maybe even especially then, the way his body was betraying him (and I'm very glad they showed that too, btw!).
In TDKR this Bruce, at least to me, almost seemed to want to die, to be free from the apathy he had fallen into. The scenes in the prison seemed to be Bruce almost regaining his humanity, his fear of death, overcoming his apathy/depression and rising again into the light. Learning to live again... In many ways, I almost feel that movie!Bruce was more selfish in becoming Batman, to save himself (though I'm aware that can be argued for any version of Batman, really), since he didn't, like in the comics, decide as a child that he was going to become a crime fighter, didn't go through all that, he only decided to when he was a... a teenager? (I'm not clear on how old movie!Bruce was when he left Gotham for those 7 years.) But again, this Bruce has talked openly about retiring, as no other version of Bruce has done with seriousness.
So... I'm really not sure what I'm saying anymore, but his whole relationship with Gotham has just never felt as deep to me as it has in other media, though he clearly loves the city a great deal. And I think what you said, that Gotham had given Bruce up with love, was just perfect, because that is exactly what I feel. Bruce has given everything to Gotham, (though he maybe wasn't as close to her) and for Gotham to set him free, in the end, so he can be happy... But perhaps what I'm really trying to say, is that Batman is Gotham's, and Bruce is Gotham's to a lesser extent, but... I'm sure that, in movieverse, Batman's sacrifice will never be forgotten, and Gotham is happy with an immortal hero, who no one will ever really be able to compare to. So she can let Bruce go, and have a chance at happiness, even outside her.
I shall say, in conclusion, that I'm so SO happy for Alfred, OMG. Thank you so much for sending me the gif, it's just... *WIBBLES* (I almost really want to write a story about Lucius and Alfred meeting up after and quietly letting each other know about Bruce, eeeeee!) After everything, for Alfred to see that Bruce is free, has this chance at happiness... *flails*
Oh, and Blake! I'm really surprised at how much I loved Blake! I wanted to hug him so, so much! I didn't know anything about him at all, apart from your fics. :) The end that I called was Batman was going to die (though that was probably a forgone conclusion by everyone else too!) but when they had that scene and Bruce said that Batman could be anyone, I knew he was going to be Bruce's successor. Which again, probably forgone conclusion, lol!
OMG, this has become SO SO long, I'm sorry! And I sorry too if I come off as being really lecturing, that wasn't my intent. Just a lot of thoughts (that keep on being deleted, grrrrrr!). I'm very much looking forward to any to any fic you write post-TDKR!
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Date: 2012-07-27 01:16 am (UTC)I'd seen some people unhappy about the ending, so I'd been feeling kind of defensive about my intuitive love of it, so you've helped me feel a lot better! I do snarkily suspect that some people who are angry about the ending are people who feel like Bruce isn't Bruce if he isn't hanging around and making a Robin miserable. :P
(I almost really want to write a story about Lucius and Alfred meeting up after and quietly letting each other know about Bruce, eeeeee!)
Oh God, I would soooo love to see your take on that, oh man. *encourages*
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Date: 2012-07-28 06:03 pm (UTC)Oh God, I would soooo love to see your take on that, oh man. *encourages*
*shifty eyes* I... might have written it. Maybe. (Hee!)